Curse

TheMosesPHD · Mar 20, 2006, 11:40 PM // 23:40

Responded to your quote in another thread:

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Originally Posted by Klmpee

I've been seeing alot of posts about botters lately. My honest opinion about them is... LEAVE them alone!!! if thats how they wanna play the game let them play the game that way! o boy they are selling gold on ebay.. wow.. lets take a look...

man look how many people are buying them.... not.. look how many pages they are... tons.. and all of selling gold that no one has either bought it through buy it now or bids..

they ruin the economy? how? they are farming money. you farm money. maybe not as much as them but you do.

everytime i see something saying.. " report their account for botting" it makes me mad because hey thats how they like to play the game. SERIOUSLY people! how bout you play the game and not worry about how others that are playing the game their way!!!!

and dont say buying gold ruins the economy because as far as i know the greens accomplished that awhile ago.

ending my rant about ranters ranting agianst botters ( wow that was hard to say

).
p.s. im sry if this kinda goes off topic form the op but i dont wanna start a new topic about this...
~~Klmpee

Well I'm gonna say it anyway. buying gold does screw up the economy. You're silly to bring the topic of green items into this. Green items are all about buying items with good mods. There is still a large flow of cash going strong dealing with the sale of items with good skins. It changed things but didn't ruin things. Now on the other hand, pumping huge ammounts of gold into the economy at a rapid rate does screw up the economy. Also, have you ever bought anything on ebay? Did you notice that all those sales on the pic you posted say "Buy it Now" over there on the right? Those aren't single sales, they are gold shops. Millions of people can "Buy it Now" on the exact same auction because they've set it up as a shop. People are buying (not bidding) that gold every day. It just doesn't show you because it's not an auction type sale.

Also on a new note. You said to let "them" play the game how they want to. Well since a lot of "them" are computer programs and not real people, don't understand why I should be inclined to let "them" play how "they" want to. Anyway, do you think the non-bot Chinese are living it large over there in their GW Gold sweatshops? You think it's ok for everyone to exploit them because we can get away with it? We already exploit enough asians by hiring them to make our clothes at low wages. Now, with the sale of virtual gold, we're exploiting them even more because the profit margin for virtual sales is much much higher than the profit margin for the companies who hire Asians to make tangible resources.

Sunman222 · Mar 21, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by TheMosesPHD

Also on a new note. You said to let "them" play the game how they want to. Well since a lot of "them" are computer programs and not real people, don't understand why I should be inclined to let "them" play how "they" want to. Anyway, do you think the non-bot Chinese are living it large over there in their GW Gold sweatshops? You think it's ok for everyone to exploit them because we can get away with it? We already exploit enough asians by hiring them to make our clothes at low wages. Now, with the sale of virtual gold, we're exploiting them even more because the profit margin for virtual sales is much much higher than the profit margin for the companies who hire Asians to make tangible resources.

Have you been to these so called sweatshops? Without first hand experience or actual evicence, you are in no position to speak on the subject. Do you understand how labor in China works? Probably not. Just because they might make scraps compared to what people make in the states, doesn't mean something is wrong. Labor systems are completely different. No one is being exploited. People have choices, to work, and not to work, whether its making clothes or sitting at a computer.

Klmpee · Mar 21, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Also on a new note. You said to let "them" play the game how they want to. Well since a lot of "them" are computer programs and not real people, don't understand why I should be inclined to let "them" play how "they" want to. Anyway, do you think the non-bot Chinese are living it large over there in their GW Gold sweatshops? You think it's ok for everyone to exploit them because we can get away with it? We already exploit enough asians by hiring them to make our clothes at low wages. Now, with the sale of virtual gold, we're exploiting them even more because the profit margin for virtual sales is much much higher than the profit margin for the companies who hire Asians to make tangible resources.

let me explain my version (im guessing here) on how they "play the game". They are playing a game of "risk" to either a. get caught or b. get away and make there profit( which it seems gold sellers never do because no one bids).
I would say the game is fun for them because they are risking to get banned by using programs that alow the consumer to be afk while the character still plays. On this note.. in a fairness i dont think it is right for botters to get banned. Why? because they bought the game. So? so they spent real money to try and profit from the game * takes look at ss * and it seems it snot working..
it seems pve in this game is becoming like rs classic ( if you dont know what game this is dont ask >.>) which was shut down to free 2 play players because of the insane amount of botters.
IMHO i dont think botters have a farming advantage over "real" players aswell because they have a risk of their accounts being banned. so to all the complainers out their, let them play the game, you play the game your way.. and for christ sake dont report them.

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Also, have you ever bought anything on ebay? Did you notice that all those sales on the pic you posted say "Buy it Now" over there on the right? Those aren't single sales, they are gold shops. Millions of people can "Buy it Now" on the exact same auction because they've set it up as a shop. People are buying (not bidding) that gold every day. It just doesn't show you because it's not an auction type sale.

I said wether they are buying it now or bidding AND auctions on ebay that have more than one product to sale has a counter of haw many of the item they have or how mnay you would like to buy. These auctions fail to have this at the bottom of the screen.
Also about the gold and green items... i meant to say gold weapons..
~Klmpee

Lampshade · Mar 21, 2006, 01:09 AM // 01:09

Klmpee, you should not have cut out the page 1 of 200+

Klmpee · Mar 21, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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Originally Posted by Lampshade

Klmpee, you should not have cut out the page 1 of 200+

they are all essentially the same besides the diffeent amounts of gold you get.

Grasping Darkness · Mar 21, 2006, 01:51 AM // 01:51

what are they farming outside droks? trolls? if so thats the most worthless spot next to lvl 5 charr farming. are we sure these are bots ? they may be really dedicated people. i know ive "been in a zone" where i follow the same routes repetitivly. i make 1k-30k per solo run where i farm in 10 min. i would find it very odd that these bot designers would be smart enough to design software but dumb enough to farm such a worthless spot.

to those that used to farm griffons and dont know a better spot to farm just go out the other augry rock exit and make a right and stay right ...theres more griffons.. they are also outsided of the dunes mission...not where i farm but its ok if you dont know any better

=HT=Ingram · Mar 21, 2006, 01:52 AM // 01:52

Ebay is not the worst of them. Mostly cause its easy to catch if Anet is monitoring such things...

There are full MMO Gold exchanges now that have nothing better to do then to destroy every MMO economy in existence. And Ruin gaming for legitimate players. Their logic... Buy More so you can keep up... BULL. One good class action lawsuit from a joint Sony Blizzard NCSoft LucasArts collation would shut those little bastards down and set a precedence for future action. I really hope it comes soon.

Faer · Mar 21, 2006, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Wind of Horus

You have a 55 monk, I have a 55 monk, everyone has a 55 monk so farming like an animal is no problem.

I don't have a 55 Monk.

Know why?

Because I prefer to play the game my own way, not the same exact way that half a million other people in my own server play it... I bet my Elementalist can get more cash farming per day than your 55 Monk can.

Sunman222 · Mar 21, 2006, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

Ebay is not the worst of them. Mostly cause its easy to catch if Anet is monitoring such things...

There are full MMO Gold exchanges now that have nothing better to do then to destroy every MMO economy in existence. And Ruin gaming for legitimate players. Their logic... Buy More so you can keep up... BULL. One good class action lawsuit from a joint Sony Blizzard NCSoft LucasArts collation would shut those little bastards down and set a precedence for future action. I really hope it comes soon.

Yeah if that would solve the problem, they would have done it already. They are selling a service, "I farm you 100k, I charge you this much." Can't really stop that.

bad person · Mar 21, 2006, 04:28 AM // 04:28

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Originally Posted by Klmpee

* takes look at ss * and it seems it snot working..

You need to look at completed auctions to determine whether its working or not. Yesterday alone (3/19), there was almost 70 million worth of Guild Wars gold purchased.

Alcazanar · Mar 21, 2006, 06:18 AM // 06:18

yeah it is a problem but as far as i know you cant
acturally do something without ruin the game
for normal players.

try talking to the koreans to stop